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Infidel — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:22:28 -0500

Greetings Bill,

First let me thank you for pointing out my typo. This proves beyond a reasonable doubt that unlike, Moses, Jesus, and El Ron Muhammed, I am not infallible. Sorry.

I do not understand your point? about Tom Daschle, so maybe I am an "imbecile." Sorry.

I agree Bill, we need science and math in our schools. By the way, public education is socialism isn't it? Robert Ingersoll pointed out over 100 years ago that, "Our schools do not need a moment of silence, they need a moment of science." Bravo to that. But I wonder what this has to do with gays. I just don't understand (the imbecile thing?) why conservative types are so afraid of gay people. It is just very sad that conservatives are such fraidy cats. Oh well.

When my children were young (yes, we atheists have children too) we ventured off to Montreal for a vacation. The best part of that vacation was the fact that I parked our car when we arrived at the hotel and I never drove again until we left the beautiful city of Montreal. We took trains everywhere we went. It was marvelous. I had a great time. I did not see any cattle or smell urine, but then, that may be because I may be an imbecile as you so eloquently pointed out.

And so, I was just wondering about your last comment, "Is you handle spelled properly or should it be "imbecile." I may be an imbecile, but shouldn't there be a ? after your ingenious question? It appears to me that you may have been consuming alcoholic beverages when you wrote the above. I forgive you Bill.

Shalom,
Infidel

RE: Torture

Bill Bunker — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:10:07 -0500

In "out" name?

Tom Daschle..........Obama is abandoning his principles.

Heather Has Two Mommies-Nope, if that is your lifestyle choice then make it but as M Evans said....technology. Let's trade the propagandized social agenda for more science and math schooling.

Trains-Dangerous, dirty aluminum tubes smelling like urine carrying cattle to their destinations. Public anything is not the American dream nor what this country was built upon. Public governmental growth leads to high taxes and terrible services.

Is you handle spelled properly or should it be "imbecile". Please stop wasting bandwith and consolidate your posts into one. Also, it would be helpful if you answered the points rather than dismissing items.

Shalom-GOODBYE!

Reasons why the Republicans lost

Michael Evans — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:16:13 -0500

1. John McCain

2. Sarah Palin

3. No answers to the problems.

Obama won the electoral vote by a LANDSLIDE.

torture

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:35:48 -0500

Yo Bill,

When you compare torture to "flushing a Koran down a toilet," I gotta ask, have you been paying attention? I could elaborate on this subject, but I do not like to remind myself about the disgusting acts that our government has been conducting in out name.

Shalom

Vietnam

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:23:27 -0500

Geee Bill, how can you say there was no victory? We murdered millions of innocent people and destroyed vast amounts of property. All in the name of imperialism.

Shalom

Heather has two mommys

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:11:54 -0500

Greetings Bill,

What does that mean Bill? Do you have a psychologiclal problem with families that have two mommys? Some friends of mine have been raised by two mommies. There is good news Bill. Help is available for you.

Trains

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:45:44 -0500

Greetings Bill,

What is wrong with trains coming back? What is wrong with public transportation? What is wrong with public anything?
The capitalist pigs are now pleading for more public welfare in an outlandish manner. Hank the Bank Paulson and his Hole in the Wall Street Gang can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps so they are demanding that, we taxpayers, appease them. OH Chamberlin!

Response?

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:27:28 -0500

Yo Bill,

What does TAM Daschle mean? Was it a typo or is it some sinister plot to destroy pseudoliberals?

Shalom

No landslide Michael, here is my response.

Bill Bunker — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:56:37 -0500

COMPETENCE in Government coming to our country soon.....

Including billions for the auto industry and a bailout of union workers who will not compromise and give anything up to save their own arse.

Soldiers coming home,

Just like from Vietnam without victory as Democrats want to cut and run
restoration of Habias Corpus,

Rights of citizens on our shores have never been compromised but if you want to set free enemy combatants who were responsible for over 3000 deaths on 9/11 then let it be on your conscience.

Gitmo closing,
Torture OUT,

Oh yes no more loud music or tearing up the Koran and flushing it down the toilet.

Affordable Health for everyone,

A huge entitlement program that will bankrupt the country and flush this country further down the toilet. Affordable to who?

Tax cuts for middle class,

Who is the middle class, Michael? Rhetoric. Is it those who don't pay taxes now?

Protect and uphold the Consitution...check.

Ahhhhhh, we will see if they try to institute the "Fairness Doctrine" and stifle free speech.

Clean Renewable alternative energy,

Not without oil paving the way and please reveal your secret source of energy that will produce the same BTU's as oil and not cripple the country with your plan of going cold turkey.

SCIENCE!

Yes let's teach more science in schools and less Heather Has Two Mommies.

Technology! Yes lets's allow corporations to keep more of their profits and invest them in better technology.

Infrastructure! Oh yes, I am sure you want trains to come back....Ohhhhhh what a dream!

Sanity! I doubt you will become sane no matter how much of the above agenda get's passed as you rant and rave at every opportunity.

Brought to you by the best and brightest, compliments of Barack Obama!

We will see, the campaign promises are already being broken, for instance with Tam Daschle being considered for the Secretary of HHS. Obama's own criteria states that no one will be offered a cabinet position of they have connections to any related lobbying group or organization related to the position. Guess what? Daschle is an attorney for a law lobbying firm that deals with universal health care.

Democrats won

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:56:20 -0500

Yo Michael,

I agree with you about the great expectations of an Obama administration as contrasted with the Bush gang. But I temper my audacious hope with the recent selections of the in crowd: Rahm Emmanuel and the Hillary. But I will "keep hope alive."

I would also like to ad that I do not think that the Bush gang is incompetent. They are cruel, vindictive, miscreants who have slaughtered our Constitution in order to feed their lust for power. They have been outlandishly successful in this regard. They are one goose step away from turning this country into a fascist state and they have two months left to do it.
Shalom

Obama mandate?

Infidel — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:24:50 -0500

Greetings,

I am just wondering what this Obama mandate might be. As far as I can tell, Obama is a conservative and a go along with the program type Democrat. He will not rock any corporate boats, or interfere with the advance of the empire.

Shalom

Democrats won, Republicans lost. ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE!

Michael Evans — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:16:15 -0500

COMPETENCE in Government coming to our country soon.....
Soldiers coming home,
restoration of Habias Corpus,
Gitmo closing,
Torture OUT,
Affordable Health for everyone,
Tax cuts for middle class,
Protect and uphold the Consitution...check.
Clean Renewable alternative energy,
SCIENCE!
Technology!
Infrastructure!
Sanity!

Brought to you by the best and brightest, compliments of Barack Obama!

Consensus

Bill Bunker — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:52:38 -0500

As I have in the past, I will give you, once again two examples of consensus that Obama could embrace to prove to people that we can unite this country.

Health Care-

Non-consensus is tooling with the present system so that eventually we all wind up on a government plan that requires long waiting times and poor care. Government run crappy health care for everyone.

Consensus means that we cover those who can not afford it and have a litmus test that proves whether there is a need. Allow others to decide what health care they will choose and if their employers do not offer it, offer a plan to them.

Abortion-

Non-consensus is not allowing any abortions or allowing all abortions with all of the trappings of excuses either way.

Consensus means give and take on both sides. As I have stated before, for instance, agreeing that it is a woman's right to choose but not paying for counseling, the actual abortion,etc. and not allowing late term if the mother's life is not in danger and outlawing infanticide.

I am willing to work with the other side but in the past progressives only like the reaching across the aisle kind of thing if the reaching comes from the right to extends to the left.

We will see what kind of consensus, ethics and principles Democrats have this time around. I expect hard core 'my way or the highway' attitudes. We will see.

BTW-The name is William, Micky.

What does consensus mean to

Michael Evans — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:19:12 -0500

What does consensus mean to you Wilfred? From our correspondence over the last couple of years I'd say, consensus means...do it your way, or no way. And when you win, mock your opponent and put him down. Call him names and tell lies. That's what it means to you.

Your demeanor Michael

Bill Bunker — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:59:10 -0500

The issue is that you do not practice what you preach.

First of all, you did not think there was a mandate in 2004 and you have expressed that so many times.

Yet now, you want to claim a mandate so that you can push a liberal agenda.

Next, hubris is one of the personality traits of Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi or even our own Paul "Franking" Hodes but not one of mine.

46% of the population voting Republican with about 4% giving Obama a 'test run' is not a majority or mandate.

Gay marriage was soundly defeated in 3 states. That is not the result of a middle left country and is right minded. Other initiatives revealed the same conservative leanings.

Obama won due to a bad economy, a desire of people for a change and look-see at what Obama will do, some voter fraud, African Americans coming out in the largest numbers in history and 1% more students voting than usual.

Don't fool yourself, Michael, you are not interested in solving anything, only changing this country in your progressive Utopian vision. Maybe Obama is interested in consensus; you are not!