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Medical treatment or Insurance wrangling?

C. dog e. doG — Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:17:23 -0400

Y'all -
Bill's program sounds better than Hillary-Care, and I'm not sure what tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb are currently proposing in their presidential campaigns (I will vote for neither lesser-evil). So I have a few questions and comments:
• First, are we talking medical treatments or insurance? Sounds like insurance to me. But would we be better off focusing our efforts on medical treatments because we then eliminate layers of bureaucracy that add nothing to the objective (medical treatment), but do contribute substantially to cost.
• Is this a voluntary program, or another Nanny State make-the-medicine-go-down prescription? (I hated my ninny nanny)
• Is it limited to basic care, or includes platinum member multi-million dollar treatments? Are elective C-sections covered? Who decides and how?
• Does this cover lifestyle illnesses and injuries from smoking, drinking, huffin' crack with gang-bangers, participating in hot-dog eating contests, twinky binge-but-no-purges, skiing, hang gliding, hangin' with Dr. Kevorkian ...? If so, why should Joe Six-pack and Cindy Cigarette be forced to fund someone else's bad or risky lifestyle choices? Again, who decides, and how is their decision fair?

Regardless, here's what any such program should include, some of which builds on Bill's proposal:
1. Voluntary participation: otherwise we remain "dead" according to General Stark.
2. Participant pays up: why should government ruling class club someone else to pay before the patient pays as much as they can first? Think tax returns and net-wealth statements. A medical IRA might be a good compromise instrument here (it rolls over year to year, and provides incentive to be healthy to enjoy some of these dollars at a later date).
3. Tax Credits: If people really think this is so almighty important, then they must be willing to offer tax credits to those offering discount services to the indigent and those subsidizing such. Doctors are always looking for tax breaks. And certainly people should be able to take tax deductions for all non-cosmetic medical expenses ... (daaaa!).
4. Only applies to U.S. citizens. Yes, all others are second class except back in the country of their citizenship.
5. Basic care coverage, but tax credit contributions unlimited for expanded treatments.
6. Self proclaimed liberals/progressives pay any balance due. I'm sure Scarecrow Mikey would love to contribute to this most worthy of causes.

I think there are also some interesting issues to discuss regarding the current unholy Insurance-AMA (American Medical Assoc.)-Government triad, but that can wait for another day. Suffice it to say for now it's a driving force in ever escalating medical expenses and could benefit from a hair cut using hedge trimmers.

- Stayin' fit and eatin' right so I keep out of government medical camps,
C. dog e. doG

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99 banal blatherings on the Blog, 99 banal blatherings

C. dog e. doG — Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:30:15 -0400

Add one more ("I want no part of your fascist program") to Mikey's manure pile: "You rightwing wackjobs are so deluded you can't see beyond the end of your noses," "MaCains/McSames. OPEN your eyes, Judy, and see the REAL world," "this is just more rightwing propaganda. So what if you travel, unless you can document what you say, your statements are meaningless," "greed outweighs responsibility among rightwingers. I've got mine...screw you is their agenda and motto," "This is typical rant of folks who think like you Bill," "it is your type that has THE narrow world view. Get real. What does neo-conservative mean....status quo. Live in the past, fear everything you don't understand!!," "That is why progressives must defeat the immorality of the neo-conservatives and right wing brainwashed fascists that support them," "I'll never see the world through your corrupt eyes," "I'm not sure why you have to bring up the Kennedy family. There are many more gangsters on your team, as we all know."

I guess this is what liberal crickets sound like when they rub their tired ideas against their enfeebled brains. Your mother must be so proud.

By the by Mikey, how're you progressin' with them calculator lessons? I wonder if you will ever be able, or brave enough, to answer the challenge of using real math to answer that simple question.

- Movin' on.org,

C. dog e. doG

Best Idea

Bill Bunker — Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:22:39 -0400

Here is how we should handle the 40 million uninsured. Of course liberals want to spread the pain and have everyone on the same system.

1) Find out who is not insured. Then determine if those folks have ability to pay for the insurance and if they could get it through their employer. I can tell you that I know people who do not want to pay for it but it is available.

2) How many of those 40 million are illegal? I bet that you would find it is a large number...do not offer services to that segment.

3) Then take a look at the cost of prescription and introduce a program that caps those costs. Therefore, no $135 prescriptions.

4) Allow taxpayers to write off from dollar one all medical expenses to directly offset their wages...imagine if you earned $60,000 and due to $8000 of medical expenses you could reduce your tax liability to $52,000.

So, plain and simple, help the 40 million.....leave the rest alone.

That would all work but you don't hear any of those ideas from politicians on either side of the aisle.

Sooooo, What Then Must We Do?

C. dog e. doG — Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:24:31 -0400

Bill -

With respect to health-care, dare I say the Canucks suck? I did, I did. Having said that, what are your ideas for improving this latest industry under attack by Republicrat and Demublican alike, or do you like it the way it is? I would also like to hear from liberals on this too, including Mikey if he promises to play nice in his corner of the sandbox. I haven't formulated my solution(s) on this topic yet, and could use your help. I suspect there might be common ground to make steps in a better direction.

- Sitting here on my Pondering Rock wondering how to finance my future well-being, C. dog e. doG

If They Can't Win

Bill Bunker — Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:11:16 -0400

If the Left can't win in the arena of ideas, they mask their real thoughts with that kind of name calling.

I correspond with three progressives who all use the word "Fascist". I wish for once they would just admit: "yes we want Socialism". Instead they do a fancy dance around the truth.

They want to censor opposing opinion and then name call. Until we can have consensus with give and take, there will be no real "progress" .

Like the oil debate they view health care as either / or. It is not that simple. There can be common ground but not if they refuse to meet there!

Be careful Judy, this blog will get censored. Please make sure there are no personal attacks...I have been through this before. I just wish more progressives would reply so there could be reasonable debate....but....all I hear are crickets!

Thanks Judy

Hilarious!!

Jehardy — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:13:07 -0400

Oh Mikey,

I join Dog & Bill here in the laughter. Imagine a far left liberal, calling a Conservative or 'Independent' a "facist." You're a belly laugh, at best. No constructive argument for your beliefs.. because deep down you must know YOU'RE WRONG!! If you're not and believe your own empty rhetoric, please say something constructive instead of attacking others as your MO.

If you wanted to be "left out of it" - you'd be quiet with the rest of the crickets.

I'll respond more tomorrow... You're amusing at best, Mike. Best of luck to you.

Judy

I want no part of your

Michael Evans — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:13:30 -0400

I want no part of your fascist program, thank you very much. Just leave me out of it. Thank you.

Yes and hear the crickets

Bill Bunker — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:16:48 -0400

The membership of this blog reads like a Who's Who of liberal and progressive politics yet we still can only hear the crickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a reason for that...........they know they are wrong........but e.dog, that is the Socialist way.

They are just not able to have an intelligent conversation so they either attack or they fail to respond.

We have Mike but all I hear are the crickets!!!!!!!!!!!! Speaks volumes.

Medical Malaise - bad decisions or bad medicine?

C. dog e. doG — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:57:45 -0400

Bill -

Once again, another timely topic, especially during this campaign season. I think most thinking people find fault with the socialist solution, save for the apparatchik who have preferred access to the goods and services of those industries they usurp and monopolize. Who says class structure collapses when socialism intercedes?

But, the current system ain't so great, either. Need we divulge the details of: ongoing spiraling costs, ever burgeoning waistlines leading to outcome "illnesses", "private" information going "public", etc.? So, how would you restructure the medical mess, or would you leave as is?

- Avoiding dangerous pratfalls and eatin' right as I pay into my self-insurance program,

C. dog e. doG

Something Everyone Should Read!

Bill Bunker — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:23:23 -0400

As the presidential candidates take the stage to discuss health care and support, to varying degrees socialized medicine, the following article is truly frightening. I urge readers, whether you agree with me or disagree with me to read this piece. Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative, the insured or the uninsured will find this very interesting!