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Nicely Done Bill

Scott Ives — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:10:40 -0400

Couldn't have said it better myself. The other thing that gets me going is that the biggest champion of man made global warming wants the rest of us to live like pre-civilization humans, while he continues to cavort in private jets and lives in a home that uses more energy in a week than I do in a year.....HMMMM

Unsettled nettlesome Chicken Little Soup

C. dog e. doG — Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:35:03 -0500

Justin & comrades -

Don't fall for the carbon clarion call from some Jezebel wanna-be from Tennessee aristocracy. Resist lest ye fall from grace to spend the rest of your days stumbling about in a darkened cave.

Clearly what's going on here is not science, but just another bizarro-world religion budding from the corpse of homo rationalis. Only pretentious, pandering priesthoods unchallenge us with proclamations that the debate is over, that it's now time for all good sheople to obey their dogma-soaked prohibitions against carbon loading and replace such sinful behavior with divining-rod inspirations on how to live a carbon-free lifestyle -- buy Al Gore credits. For a limited time only, just $9.99/credit! Ahwww shuckster, what a huckster. Of course, like any "good" religion, the rules don't apply to the priests themselves: Al Gore and his Hollywood privileged-class cronies continue to fly about in their private jets -- yes, the very same vehicles that generate more carbon/mile than any other mode of transportation.

So let's get real. If you believe the human-carbon-global-warming myth, then Justin, what are you personally doing about it? Do you fly in airplanes? Do you only travel on trains and buses? Do you travel in any carbo-mobile at all? If it's the apocalyptic problem as many in the Global Warming flock would have us ardently believe, why travel at all? Staying put burns nothin'.

If you believe, Justin, then what shelter do you live in? How insulated is it? How many square feet do you occupy and heat? What about your work place? Your food? Your computer? Your toys? Solar electricity?

Now maybe Justin you are one of the few global warming monks, in which case, I salute you on grounds of your moral consistency. I actually aspire to move more in that direction myself, but for largely different reasons. I too think pollution is bad, real pollution: lead, mercury, smog, SO2, etc. I also don't like sending my servitude money to a bunch of sun-drenched maniacs intent on blowing me up because I like to watch near naked females play beach volleyball on a slow Saturday afternoon. I also like to save some coin to reduce how much the man takes from me in the form of tax blood money.

To this end, I have cut my therms/year in half by adding insulation, cutting travel, and driving my car in hyper-econo mode, but recognize I have miles to go before I rest.

So, Justin, if we're both meandering more or less toward the same goal of not shittin' in someone else's backyard, we end up at basically the same place, but one is predicated on reason, and that makes all the difference. I encourage you to stop praying to the false god - Global Warming, because it detracts from the real, verifiable problems caused by real human pollution.

To this end, the best thing that has happened is the substantial surge in energy prices, which will likely continue to do so as demand for fossil fuels increase with the encroachment of the Chinese hoards on our carbon stashes. Thank a real god that some free-market mechanisms are still at play in the fields of human endeavor. Thank that same god for the fact that energy fuels are largely fungible, so the price surge spreads across all forms of energy, thus attracting capital and human toil to the task of weaning our selves from polluting energy sourced from dangerous regimes. This is what will really change our economy and save our asses, unless, of course, some meddling political hacks start subsidizing their constituent's stupid consumption. Hmmm, I'm betting on the hacks -- it's just too good an Xmas gift to hand out on an election year stump.

- just another raving from the fringes of freedom in New Hampshire,
C. dog e. doG

Wikipedia and other sources are not legitimate

Bill Bunker — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:36:58 -0500

Michael,

They are hosting the conference but not ONE person attending has any ties to oil.

"Anti-Kyoto; Pro-GM" is your characterization. The real story is to solve things without radical actions that will ruin our economy.

"Denial of second hand smoke" is another one of your characterizations.

There is nothing wrong with school vouchers either or free market health insurance, Just because progressives want to control the economy of health care instead of allowing it to me a free market choice does not make that view wrong or a radical right wing view that should automatically dismissed.

Right wing think tank as opposed to left wing think tank that the union of those "concerned scientists" belong to?

Free Markets solutions are the best; otherwise the government is influenced by politics and politicians.

The present Al Gore style, the debate is over is fear mongering. They will not debate with any skeptics.

The rest of the facts from this come from the internet and newspaper articles.

Can you ever listen to debate that you automatically dismiss with an open mind and admit that maybe your sources are just as slanted?

Intelligent people listen to both sides and then decide. I do research on both sides. These articles and this conference are presented here to educate people that there are two sides to every story; not just view that is a means to an end of a political agenda.

On a separate note; being a non-smoker I am delighted with the extermination of smoking being allowed in restaurants. I think that is a good law and I do believe that second hand smoke is harmful. If an organization takes an isolated stand that I don't like, I do not automatically dismiss them as irrelevant. That seems to be the norm in the world today...why?......because everything is "relevant" in the world of progressives.

Well...

Bill Bunker — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:23:31 -0500

Well Justin,

We should do small things, each and every one of us to help the environment.

My point here is that we should not throw the baby out with the bath water and completely turn the world upside down on a whim that we are the cause or we can control it.

Bush did not use the environment as a political football but Gore did. Politicians on both sides are playing into the hysteria of cities flooding, glaciers melting, etc. without sound science.

Changing over your bulbs to fluorescent, I found out yesterday is not healthy. If one breaks, mercury is released in your home and you have to carefully clean it up or it will harm pets and children.

But if we all do small things like you mentioned, cleaning up litter, using less electricity, driving better; that would be enough without crippling the economy.

The Heartland Institute,

Michael Evans — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:49:12 -0500

The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute's web site, is a nonprofit organization "to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems". [1] It campaigns on what it calls "junk science", "common-sense environmentalism" (i.e. anti-Kyoto, pro-GM), the privatization of public services, smokers' rights (anti-tobacco tax, denial of problems from passive smoking), the introduction of school vouchers, and the deregulation of health care insurance. It also provides an online resource for finding right-wing think tank policy documents called PolicyBot.

Another radical rightwing organization, Bill, that denies the reality of second hand smoke. Poor, poor, poor.

Not settled, but conservation still important

Justin Drake — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:21:32 -0500

Hi Bill,

You bring up a good point that the research on global warming isn't necessarily settled. I think that either way, though, we could certainly take steps to reduce the impact we have on our planet. Whether it be species across the globe going extinct, forests shrinking, toxic chemicals leaking into waterways, or ozone layer depletion, there are many signs that humans are impacting the environment in a negative way. Even just litter on the side of the highway is a sad sign of how we need to be a bit more careful.

Whether global warming is man-made or not, we could all do a little something more to help protect the environment and ensure we leave it better for future generations. Hopefully the next president won't use the environment as a political football, and will instead work on getting something done on this very important issue.

~Justin

Room For Intelligent Debate and Discussion

Bill Bunker — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:08:07 -0500

The Globe May Be Warming But.....

The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change will take place on March 2 through 4, 2008 in New York City. I have been doing a ton of research on global warming for months and thought that this event might signal an opportunity to add some debate to the issue. This conference will be attended by hundreds of scientists, meteorologists, economists and public policy experts from around the world. It is the first major international conference to focus on issues and questions not answered by advocates of the theory of man-made global warming.