A Question of Judgment

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It seems to me that McCain is treading on thin ice with his constant questioning of Obama’s judgment. For openers, what does his constant stream of ad hominem attack ads say about his judgment? But much beyond that, McCain should take another look at his own judgment – experience notwithstanding.   

            He insists the so-called surge was a success. Yet at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John McCain said, “The presence of additional coalition forces would allow the Iraqi government to do what it cannot accomplish today on its own: impose its rule throughout the country.” Since we’re still waiting for that to happen, how can McCain continue to judge the surge a success? The reduction in violence, as Obama has pointed out, was as much a matter of Sunnis turning against their al Qeida oppressors, (which may have actually enabled the surge, since it preceded it) coupled with Muktada al Sadr’s decision to impose a cease fire while he pursued political goals. McCain continues to ignore these events in his rush to take credit for the surge. His name doesn’t appear anywhere in a lengthy Times piece on the surge and how it came to be implemented, by the way.

            According to the New York Times, McCain was calling for an invasion of Iraq six months before Bush did. Six months before the attack, UN inspectors were still on the ground in Iraq searching for the non-existent WMD and on January 30, 2003, they declared that Iraq was “not in material breach” of their agreements. So what was the basis for McCain’s “judgment”?

            McCain offered total support for Rumsfeld’s “small footprint” military strategy, despite heavy Pentagon opposition and the warnings of knowledgeable generals. Is that the judgment of a commander-in-chief?

            Said the Times, “Five years after the invasion of Iraq,” Mr. McCain stands by his support for the war and expresses no regrets about his advocacy.”  That’s a double whammy in poor judgment. First his knee-jerk judgment about the war itself, then refusing to reconsider his support despite subsequent revelations of duplicity.

            Even now, in addition to Iraq and Iran, McCain continues to promote an aggressive militarism towards North Korea, Syria and Serbia which he calls “rogue state rollback.” Who’s next, I wonder, Tierra del Fuego?

            When Russia used the South Ossetia uprising as an excuse to invade Georgia, McCain was out of the gate even before the administration, six guns at the ready like a latter day Yosemite Sam. That’s judgment?

            Now comes Sarah Palin, pure gender bait for the conservative base and disaffected PUMAs.  After one meeting and a phone call.  That’s judgment in vetting a vice presidential candidate and potential president? What’s more, she’s been lying about her opposition to that infamous “bridge to nowhere.” As a John Stewart film clip clearly showed -- and Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter reminded us on Morning Joe -- she expressed enthusiastic support for the bridge at the time. Now she claims she rejected it. McCain himself repeated the claim, as well.

            As an aside, how does John McCain claim to be a “maverick” for opposing his party on the one hand, and now claim to burnish his maverick image by choosing a down-the-line arch conservative running mate?

            Joe Biden said in his acceptance speech that “These times require more than a good soldier. They require a wise leader.” Amen. And what we don’t need is yet another Cheney class cynic and belligerent militarist.


Thanks George

For all of your hard work. I appreciate your well thought out letters and hope they help people become more educated before this important election.  I don't always agree with you but I find it is important to read what I believe is fair criticism and arguments. Your letters do that.

To all readers, ask yourselves these questions:

Which candidate supports the issues that you feel are most critical in helping our nation?

Which candidate has the best chance to accomplish their goals?

Which candidate inspires you to want to do more for your community and your country?

I support Senator Obama primarily for these reasons.


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Thanks...But no Thanks!

The U.S. forces that so expertly executed the surge just turned Anbar province back to the Iraqi's. Political progress is being made on all fronts, with all factions. We will leave Iraq having defeated Al Queda with a stable democracy.The surge worked and McCain was its principal supporter. Even when their was little hope or public support, John McCain advocated strongly for his position.

One of the most disingenuous suggestions is that Barak Obama is somehow courageous for his position on Iraq. Perhaps there is a new definition of which I am unaware, but it seems to me being against the war, repeating the same old lies about Bush and Cheney, taking us to war is neither courageous or a new kind of politics. Same shtick different politician.

The Obama campaign lives in a house made of glass. It does not rise above the ads it claims to disdain it churns them out as quickly as the ad budget will allow and they have a very hefty budget.

I support a candidate that believes in strengthening the borders, who knows when life begins and whose primary answer for almost all of the nations woes isn't a tax increase.

I will vote for hope and change, I will vote for John McCain!


George...

Thank YOU for another hilarious post! 


Love the ad, not the sinner!

Georgie Girl -
Those ads are hilarious. I looked forward to each night's permutation of the Obambastic Infomercial held in Denver, and hope there are more coming from the other side for the McCainiac Love Fest in the Twin Cities. Maybe Paris Hilton will make a cameo appearance. That would be so hot!

And shouldn't a big part of the selection process be ad hominem? Otherwise, we might end up with another Clinton, and you know what that means ... more goo on another dress. And who among us likes that?

Now Georgie, in the interest of fairness, when are you going to tell us about all those associations Barack has with bad men, very bad men? Or aren't you interested in fairness? I heard he started one of his campaigns in a cop-killer's living room. Is that true, Georgie? And how did he get his house? And what did his preacher teacher say?

McCain ain't no angel, but Obama keeps some odd-fellow company, don't you think?

- Waiting for Georgie to lay down the real deal, and for the cows to come home,
C. dog e. doG


Just when you think it is safe............................

Along comes the curmudgeonly George Duncan to add yet another rant of emotional idiocy in a blaze of blinding innuendo resulting in doctrinaire refuse.

George, your first statement starts with "It seems to me"...I bet it does.

The surge was a success and if Barack Obama had his way we would have "cut and run", resulting in tens of thousands of deaths in a civil war in Iraq.

This year, George, your folks are not running against the war or Bush, you are running against those who have strong ideas of how to keep us strong while the Nero's on your side of the debate want to fiddle while it all burns down.

Why you and your ilk are worried about Sarah Palin, I do not understand.  Obama has been anointed and you folks seem so sure of yourselves, let's run a clean race from here on in.  Let the issues decide the end result, not hypocritical accusations by far Left sites like MoveOn.org and DailyKOS.

Your points are so far out of the realm of reality and so filled with negativity that you can not see the forest for the trees.  I shiver thinking that ignorant, hateful, vengeful partisans like you could ever gain power and a say in the future of this country.

Should that happen, we are all doomed. By the way, Jonathan Alter is a horses a** and an Obama supporter.  Birds of a feather, flock together!

        

           


This is "CHANGE", the kind that George wants.....

Here you go George, From the NY Times, August 25th, 2008 and people are worried about Palin's 17 year old pregnant daughter.

Biden’s Son Caught Up in Hedge Fund Troubles

A son and a brother of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, The Washington Post reported, citing court records.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate’s son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, meanwhile say it was they who were defrauded by their former partner, whom they have accused of misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry, The Post said.

According to the legal skirmishes, which have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, Anthony Lotito Jr. said that he agreed to help set up Paradigm Companies, a hedge fund group for the Bidens, because the V.P. nominee was concerned on how his son Hunter’s lobbying activities would reflect on his campaign.

Hunter Biden was made president of the firm, earning with an annual salary of $1.2 million, according to the lawsuit. However, in an affidavit, Hunter Biden said his father had nothing to do with the deal and that it is Mr. Lotito who swindled the Bidens, The Post said.

The election of Obama and Biden will mean more of the same.  Hunter Biden is more corrupt than those CEO's that you progressives demonize.

 

 


So much hatred

This is why we have problems. Conservatives hate liberals and spew venom at them. Liberals sometimes do the same but usally stay above the crappy conversation cause it is not worth it.

Here is the deal- the Republicans and their values have screwed things up more in the last 7 plus years than any other administration in history. They love to talk about values, when life begins, etc. yet they historically have vehemently opposed supporting orphanages or caring for those less fortunate. I am not one for supporting long term subsidizing of the masses, but there is a place for it in the short term.

Where is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

He was the last great Republican. His core values were capitalism but not runaway capitalism like our current administration believes in. He supported a strong military and believed it should be used as a last resort, only when all diplomatic avenues have failed. Fiscal responsibility- you betcha. Ethics reform? That is what almost got him run out of Washington before he was in higher office since he was a pit bull when it came to cleaning up unethical messes. The environment? He supported sustainable growth which minimized environmental impact and believed we needed alternative energy sources in the late 1800s.

These are the core values that held the Republican party together in his wake? Where are they now?  Oddly enough, those values are a heck of a lot closer to what Barack Obama stands for than anyone from the Republican side of things.


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No Hatred Here...

Hi Timss13,

 

We have no hatred, just a sincere desire to discuss the issues in a reasonable manner. It is hard to do that when you are accused of spewing venom or are tagged with the obigatory epitaphs common to many liberal bloggers. You seem like a reasonable person and the line above is not pointed at you.

Conservatives are confused by Obama. He claims to be the messenger for a new political movement. One that eshews attacks and rhetoric and puts the focus on issues. Sadly I have seen little evidence for this claim. He has been less than forthcoming about how he will solve our energy woes and he has attacked McCain as being in bed with big oil.

On taxes he claims 95% of Americans will experience tax relief under his proposal, I think we all know that the numbers don't add up and he attacks McCain as being for the wealthy, deliberately distorting a line offered in jest to promote McCain as an uncaring "Rich Republican".

He has no foreign policy... except his claim that he will somehow do it better than the current regime. It is an arrogant assertion, that the world will be more cooperative with American initiatives once he becomes president. Do you really believe that? If so why?

The country yearns for change but as citizens we need to examine the change offered closely to make sure it is the type of change we want. A message of change that has no details is like a blank check. Do you trust any politician with your signature on this check?

 Scott


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By the way...

I think Teddy would like John McCain a lot. If you look closely you will see they share many similar qualities...


Teddy

I think he would like the McCain of 2000 and before. I think he would be rather pissed with McCain's unraveling of his own beliefs in order to get elected. I am not blaming McCain- that is unfortunately necessary in this day and age.

Regarding Obama and other leaders thrust into executive roles- it is their ability to lead, communicate and delegate that makes them great or not so great.

Our founding fathers were not politicians by trade. They were farmers, businessmen, teachers, lawyers, etc. who felt their duty to work for their country for a period of their lives, not their entire lives. Unfortunately, now most politicians serve forever and I think that is a big problem. Their should be term limits in both houses of Congress. Fresh insight is washed away. Some try to do what is best but most, I believe, lose sight of what their job is and who they work for.

I am gladly giving Obama a chance. I believe he has the leadership qualities to effectively change Washington and to lead us amongst our global allies and against our enemies.  Again, it is wisdom, ability to communicate and to surround oneself with people who want to do what is best for the counrtry. He is not perfect, far from it. But, he gives us the best chance to succeed during these turbulent times.

Taxes going up for what he wants? Please- how much have we wasted on Iraq, pork projects, gross negligence in managing our funds, etc. I am a fiscal conservative. I have no problem with going after a more universal healthcare system (not to the degree that Hillary wants), investing more in alternative energies which will stimulate our economy and solve our long term economic woes much more than drilling for oil, etc.  Obama needs to force the system to address this misspending of our money. If he does that correctly, then there will be more than enough money to cover the programs he wants set up.  If he can''t fix the system, then I will be opposed to any new taxes going to new programs. This is his promise. Call me a naive optomist, but I will bet on that and hope we have the nerve as a nation to push for it rather than backing the same old gov't that has driven us to this precarious position we find ourselves in.

I do not consider myself a liberal. Many in the Dem party have asked me to support their candidates. I will never blanketly do that for either party.

 


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You are filling in the blanks...

I will not argue what you believe. I simply question how you can believe it with the evidence so far provided. You are making a leap of faith that is not supported by facts but instead by what you feel about Barak Obama. We will have to wait and see if your judgment proves to be correct. The question before us is can we afford for you to be wrong? I cannot come to the same conclusions with the testimony and evidence offered so far... 


Facts

Obama has pledged to reduce wasted funding, get us out of Iraq safely and responsibly, strengthen our economy and security by comprehensive energy policy reform and investing in renewable energy sources, fixing no child left behind and much more.

I know you are looking for me to answer what experience does he have to back up these policy changes.  So let me reverse it to you? What experience do you require one to have in order to get the job done? You do not need decades of Washington experience...what you need is wisdom, sound judgment, communication and talented people around you who are focused on making the country better and stronger.  The experience tag that both parties have touted is vastly overrated. You need intelligence more than experience. Look at our current president. He failed as owner of the Texas Rangers, he failed as governor of Texas, yet we still voted him in twice as President.  Some of our most successful presidents had little to no experience in national politics, Lincoln being the most obvious choice.

I actually don't think he has been as awful as he could have been. For whatever reason, and I will give him credit, we have been safe as a whole since 9/11. But he has bungled virtually everything else with Congress's support.

And do you think we can afford to pick McCain and the same old crap that we currently have?

At the beginning of this political season, my two choices were McCain and Obama from the get go. They both appear to be honest and honestly interested in fixing our country. Recently, however, McCain has pandered way too much to the way right of his party so that he has lost his identity. That made my decision to support Obama much easier.  He is a heck of a lot more moderate than what the right wing would like to admit.

What I really want is for everyone to give whoever wins a chance to do his job. Support him as an American even if his ideology is different. Then, if he stinks, work to get someone elected who gets it.


Dear Tim

I will take your own blog and ask you to answer some questions for us.  Thank YOU for your engagement.

Obama has pledged to reduce wasted funding, get us out of Iraq safely and responsibly, strengthen our economy and security by comprehensive energy policy reform and investing in renewable energy sources, fixing no child left behind and much more.  And how will he do this?   He says what ‘he’ is going to do, but I feel he has no clear idea how he is going to do it.  Is not knowing him worth the risk?

Barack Obama is a stranger to everyone http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_the_mysterious_s.html 

I know you are looking for me to answer what experience he has to back up these policy changes.  So let me reverse it to you? What experience do you require one to have in order to get the job done? You do not need decades of Washington experience...what you need is wisdom, sound judgment, communication and talented people around you who are focused on making the country better and stronger.  The experience tag that both parties have touted is vastly overrated.

You need intelligence more than experience. Look at our current president. He failed as owner of the Texas Rangers, he failed as governor of Texas, yet we still voted him in twice as President.  Some of our most successful presidents had little to no experience in national politics, Lincoln being the most obvious choice. 

 Let’s compare him with Sarah Palin, who’s not even running for President, but Vice President.

She's been a real mayor, he hasn't. She has been a real governor, he hasn't. She's been in charge of the Alaskan National Guard, he hasn't. She was a whistleblower who defeated an incumbent mayor. He has never once shown that kind of courage. She's a whistleblower who turned in the chairman of her own party and got him fined $12,000. I've never seen Obama do one thing like that. She took on the incumbent governor of her own party and beat him, and then she beat a former Democratic governor in the general election. I don't know of a single thing Obama's done except talk and write.  [Credit:  Newt Gingrich]    

I actually don't think he has been as awful as he could have been. For whatever reason, and I will give him credit, we have been safe as a whole since 9/11. But he has bungled virtually everything else with Congress's support.  I don’t agree.  Bush hasn’t been perfect, no president has –  But his mission has been clear, and we’ve been safe since 9/11/01.  I would argue that some shortcomings have been a lack of Congress’s support.

And do you think we can afford to pick McCain and the same old crap that we currently have?   McCain, while not the Republican’s best choice for many, will not be the same as anyone else; especially with Palin on his ticket.

 At the beginning of this political season, my two choices were McCain and Obama from the get go. They both appear to be honest and honestly interested in fixing our country. Recently, however, McCain has pandered way too much to the way right of his party so that he has lost his identity. That made my decision to support Obama much easier.  He is a heck of a lot more moderate than what the right wing would like to admit.    What????    (You’ve got to be kidding me)???   Please tell us how Obama is “Moderate”?

What I really want is for everyone to give whoever wins a chance to do his job. Support him as an American even if his ideology is different. Then, if he stinks, work to get someone elected who gets it.

So what you are saying, is risk electing him – and if he sucks, just vote him out in 4 years??  Will we have a country in 4 years that can be saved from the damage already done?? 


Hey Judy, Thanks for your

Hey Judy,

Thanks for your comments. I'll try to answer as best possible. I think it is fair to say that you like McCain and not Obama and nothing is going to change that. Fine, that is your right and I respect that. What I don't respect is the typical half sided story telling that is found on many right and left wing blogs, radio shows, biased media (largely leftist) and so on.

You feel he has no clear idea of how he is going to do anything. I suggest you honestly research his speeches or his literature, website, debates, etc. Don't go listening to wack jobs like Severin for information-they have agendas, too. Find out for yourself. I am not going to regurgitate it all. You either support him or you don't. That is fine. I have no problem understanding how he plans to accomplish his goals.

He and McCain got along fine until they both knew they had a chance to square off against each other. Once the entire republican field knew that Obama was a strong contender, they distanced themselves from him. On a side note, our electoral process is ridiculous. All candidates have let us down by being absent for large chunks of legislative sessions.

I have no need to compare him to Gov. Palin. There is no comparison. Mayor of a town of 6,000 and alienating most of the folks who worked for her is not a good practice and that is what she did. Being Gov. of the smallest state in the union which has a very small state government...please he has just run the largest, most effective campaign in modern history that has more staff reporting to him then she does as Gov. Commander of National Guard? What does that mean? Nothing! What say does she have? None. The only times a Gov. of any state has any say in National Guard is when they call them for support during a natural disaster or emergency or when the Fed. gov't is compromised and the Gov. requires their units to support  them locally. Has either happened during her two years? Nope...so they receive all of their orders from the Pentagon.

Bush has done one thing well- keep us safe. That is it. Name another? And don't blame Congress- he had support his first four years and look where that has taken us? How ludicrous is it to lower taxes during a time of war?  The current Congress sucks, too. I am not a Pelosi fan so don't confuse me for one. Again, can anyone say term limits? Unfortunately, that will never happen.

Obama a moderate? Not quite but closer to it than many would think who do not truly look into his actions or plans. Take a look at his stances and tell me...are those the requests of a full blown liberal? I don't think so. Ethics reform, fiscal responsibility, reducing monies wasted, environmental stewardship...yep, sounds quite liberal. Oh, he might have to raise taxes on the wealthy, but I rarely hear from anyone I know in those brackets who are upset by it. Tax incentives for companies that do not use cut and run policies when it comes to their employees.

 Every conseervative wants to paint him as a wicked liberal. He doesn't care. How is he a liberal? I'd state that all the republicans running up our deficit are liberals for not showing fiscal resttraint!

And yes, I'd take the risk of four years from a guy with outstanding vision and promise over someone with little to no vision anytime. If our nation crumbles further, then it will only push for someone with greater ability to reform to step up and do the job. That is democracy. Peace out.


RE: tmiss13

I assume that the "13" refers to the age of this writer as their logic and grasp of reality is truly elementary.

tmiss13 wrote:"

Here is the deal- the Republicans and their values have screwed things up more in the last 7 plus years than any other administration in history. They love to talk about values, when life begins, etc. yet they historically have vehemently opposed supporting orphanages or caring for those less fortunate. I am not one for supporting long term subsidizing of the masses, but there is a place for it in the short term."

tmiss, show us an example of any Republican policies that have opposed orphanages........

Caring for the less fortunate?  Republicans do not think that way.  However, if you are able bodied and refuse to work or make consistently poor choices that impact your situation, yes, conservatives, libertarians and Republicans frown on that.  And why not?

Don't talk to people about values, like progressives have the high ground on values.

Abortion, late term abortion, the sexual revolution. gay marriage, "do as I say and not as I do" is the Democratic practice of the day.

Values?  It is obvious that yours are transparent! 


Were you alive at

the turn of the century.  Luckily I had grandparents who were and I have heard all of the stories about Teddy Roosevelt.

By the way, Obama is not Teddy Roosevelt.  Your points are sophomoric and your words are straight from talking points of progressives.

Yes please support those Democratic candidates; your philosophy is a closer match to them. 


Bill

Again, you show the main problem with people who are way too far on the right or left. You cannot communicate without belittling. Sophomoric? Wow, aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

Pehaps I am a Progressive. I have never labeled myself anything other than an independent thinker. I'll have to think about that one. If I want progress instead of nothing, then, yes, I guess I am progressive.

I am not going to get into personal attacks. I have had an interesting debate with two other folks here who are civil, even if we do not agree on who we support. Being an American, I will proudly support whoever is our president. Too bad the same cannot be said of you.

Oh, and I am in my mid-thirties, a history major from the University of Richmond, one of the top conservative schools in the world, and actually intelligent enough to think for myself. Thank God for freedom.


Values

The reason for my response in that tone was that you vilified Republican's and mentioned that sometimes progressives do the same....sometimes?

Values?  Another point of ire.

Values is how we live our lives, treat other people....yes the unborn, and those about to be born.

The attacks by the Left on Sarah Palin illustrate their "values".

Sophomoric?  Yes.  I too am a history student and was going to be a history teacher until I realized that my speech impediment would get in the way.

That has never stopped me from being a student of history.  I too have much knowledge of history.  Obama is no Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan was the greatest president on the Republican side.

 

 

 


Vote all you can vote!

Timbo -
I commend you on your self-control, but I think you should give some slack to those of us who are sick and tired of having others try to control us. I wish we could thank God for our freedom, but objectively, this does not exist in a social structure with a multi-trillion dollar government whose minions ignore the constitutional basis for this structure on a daily basis.

MovingOn.org, since when was it ever a good idea to pay credence to a politician's words? Isn't this, prima facia, an act of insanity? Do you actually believe Barry Obama based on speeches and crafty web page talking points and PROFOUND POLICY INITIATIVES he and his staff conjured late at night? Don't you think it would be a much better idea to study what the poly-tick actually has done, how it has operated in its preferred habitat, as a predictor of future behavior? For this, we don't need hours of footage from naturalist film makers. Instead, you can look up how they voted on the floor to control your life. You can look at the legislation they proposed. And then, if you love freedom, as you claim, you can expect to be profoundly disappointed.

But take heart, my 30 something Timbo. There are other candidates out there, some of whom may actually walk with you on that long road back to freedom. I may not make it with you to the promised land, but I hope you do. Peace out; Revolution is required.
- Delineating good witches from bad using the floating rock-on-water technique for the sake of the village,
C. dog e. doG


Dog

I hear you about control and your voice has real wisdom. If we could freeze time and throw out everything except for our incredible Constitution, then count me in.

I also think this is a natural progression that is needed right now. If we are to really see a substantial, positive change in Washington, then it is the Dem's turn to have a crack at it. Maybe they will do well. If they don't, I hope that we will finally see someone outside of both parties who has a real understanding of limited gov't where our tax dollars are spent wisely. More importantly, hopefully the people will be educated enough to see the need for real change to our current system. I know,, I am asking for a fairy tale. Then again, it was one of Jefferson's most insightful and profound truth's when he stated that in order for our democracy to succeed, we would need a revolution regularly.


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I respect your passion...

Tim,

The problem is there isn't a lot of evidence to support your assertions.

Obama has pledged to reduce wasted funding, get us out of Iraq safely and responsibly, strengthen our economy and security by comprehensive energy policy reform and investing in renewable energy sources, fixing no child left behind and much more.

These are not facts they are political promises. I have reviewed Obama's positions and while he has cornered the market and powerful rhetoric the details are not forth coming.A pledge from him to cut wasteful spending should include the areas he will cut. Even a general plan that indicates where he believes spending cuts are warranted would be a start.

He will get us out of Iraq in 16 months. Even his defenders say this is not logistically possible. His energy policy is more hoping and praying for a technological breakthrough. It's all or nothing and that is not acceptable! His proposals for education are spend more and hope for improvement.

In Illinois his political courage is best exemplified by his voting record, When faced with troubling political challenges, Obama takes a stand with a firm Maybe.

I love your passion but the facts speak for themselves! 


Respect Yours, too

I agree that much of what Obama states are political promises. So did Lincoln, Kennedy, Reagan and many others and that is what sold people on them. I disagree with you on energy policy. I don't see how it is all or nothing. We are so close to significant breakthroughs and need strong people like Pickens and , like him or not, Al Gore, to continue pushing for it. Bottom line- as a country we need more from our leaders in regards to an effective energy policy, the joke that is our farming bill, losing jobs to countries where workers make next to nothing while ours live on subisidies, and much more.

Obama has outlined a lot of what he wants to do and, yes, it is largely a promise. But, it is a heck of a lot more than anything that McCain or his party is willing to push for. All I hear from them is more drilling. Wow, that is really going to solve our problems.

I was so disgusted by last nights speakers. I used to like Guiliani and Romney. They were so snide last night that I will never consider voting for either of them again. Major turnoff.  Palin, too. Then again, they have stated that they know they cannot win if the election comes down to issues so it will be attack after attack. Say goodbye to independent voters cause that is what most of us are turned off by.


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This was never an open subject for you...

If you like Obama no set of facts will sway you from your belief. The true genius of his campaign is the constant spin, that if you disagree with him you are attacking him. Don't question his judgement, his associations, his experience or anything... It is an arrogant and patronizing attitude which says, do i need to explain it to you again?


Completely Open Subject

It was a completely open subject to me and still is. I have researched and spent lots of time on the candidates that I liked. Last year, I felt that if either McCain or Obama was elected, I would be a happy camper.  I still generally feel OK about McCain cause there is the hope that if he is elected he will still provide an independent, sound voice.  The actions by his party recently have made me feel that he has become compromised.

I do question Obama's associations but I also question McCain's. And I don't see where Obama has acted arrogantly. You feel differently and I cannot obviously not sway your beliefs. At least you take the time to inform yourself whether or not you and I see eye to eye. Too many people do not.

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